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rhyllI love it that the posts that have got the most comments on here are the ones about haiku. You are all excellent.
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I must respectfully disagree with Phester. Japanese haiku do not actually have a 5-7-5 syllable structure. Japanese isn't broken up into syllables in the same way that English is...it's more (and here I stumble a little, not knowing Japanese) "sound pieces".
I think that the 5-7-5 provides a good structure, but I don't think it's necessary for good haiku. Brevity is necessary, yes, but if you can come up with a haiku that you really like that happens to be 4-6-5 or something, you needn't muck around with it too much.
Also, I do like the division of haiku into two phrases/fragments, which tiny monster mentioned. It's something that I've been trying to do in my haikus...having two parts to offset each other seems to help give the poem more meaning.
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I don't suppose some or all of you want to sit somewhere sometime and drink wine (or sake, I suppose) and play around with Japanese linked poetry? Hmm. Just an idea.
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Lately I've read getting rid of it by lindsey collen, above the water by margaret bearman, and when I was five I killed myself by howard buten. Buten's book is something of a cult classic, and I can see why. It's written from the perspective of an eight year old boy, and has been compared to catcher in the rye. It's a comparison I can see, but I enjoyed it far more than Salinger's book - probably because the narrator doesn't come across as quite so...self-centred? perhaps. Above the water i didn't enjoy at first - that bleak and awkward australian-ness. But in the end i was quite won over. Getting rid of it i loved - an air of voodoo to it, politics and related unpleasantness but all so personal and optimistic without being at all saccharine.
That is all for now!
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I must respectfully disagree with Phester. Japanese haiku do not actually have a 5-7-5 syllable structure. Japanese isn't broken up into syllables in the same way that English is...it's more (and here I stumble a little, not knowing Japanese) "sound pieces".
I think that the 5-7-5 provides a good structure, but I don't think it's necessary for good haiku. Brevity is necessary, yes, but if you can come up with a haiku that you really like that happens to be 4-6-5 or something, you needn't muck around with it too much.
Also, I do like the division of haiku into two phrases/fragments, which tiny monster mentioned. It's something that I've been trying to do in my haikus...having two parts to offset each other seems to help give the poem more meaning.
Next:
I don't suppose some or all of you want to sit somewhere sometime and drink wine (or sake, I suppose) and play around with Japanese linked poetry? Hmm. Just an idea.
Next:
Lately I've read getting rid of it by lindsey collen, above the water by margaret bearman, and when I was five I killed myself by howard buten. Buten's book is something of a cult classic, and I can see why. It's written from the perspective of an eight year old boy, and has been compared to catcher in the rye. It's a comparison I can see, but I enjoyed it far more than Salinger's book - probably because the narrator doesn't come across as quite so...self-centred? perhaps. Above the water i didn't enjoy at first - that bleak and awkward australian-ness. But in the end i was quite won over. Getting rid of it i loved - an air of voodoo to it, politics and related unpleasantness but all so personal and optimistic without being at all saccharine.
That is all for now!
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-why not? Only I've got to find a job.
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on 2005-09-18 09:19 am (UTC)That sounds like the intimidating game 'Anagrams' that Lisa's friend and her dad play.
"We take the name of a famous person, then rearrange the letters to form a description of that person! Here's one: Jeremy Irons!"
"Um... Jeremy's... Iron?"
"That's... very good, for a beginner."
That said, I do like wine.
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on 2005-09-18 09:40 am (UTC)On the whole, I am not at all good at word games.
I envisage being absolutely bloody awful at playing around with linked poetry.
But, wine. And hopefully all concerned will be equally crap. (Anyone who shows natural skill will be sent to the corner.)
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on 2005-09-18 10:31 am (UTC)Like to find out?
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on 2005-09-18 11:35 am (UTC)I will have to leave that up to the other readers. Maybe you will have to be quarantined?
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on 2005-09-19 07:23 am (UTC)Shards of sun
Now sleep
I try I think I shold get points for that.
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on 2005-09-19 09:17 am (UTC)